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		<title>By: Etatismus ist die Utopie, nicht Anarchismus &#124; ars libertatis</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Etatismus ist die Utopie, nicht Anarchismus &#124; ars libertatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those processes that create war, generalized crime, chaos and oppression.1 Check Your Premises - Statism is utopian. [&#8617;] &#171; Militante Atheisten  Dieser Eintrag wurde von Benjamin B. geschrieben, am [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those processes that create war, generalized crime, chaos and oppression.1 Check Your Premises &#8211; Statism is utopian. [&#8617;] &laquo; Militante Atheisten  Dieser Eintrag wurde von Benjamin B. geschrieben, am [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reflexões &#171; Far beyond Sanity</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflexões &#171; Far beyond Sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Estatismo é utópico: O próprio nome já diz. Argumenta sobre a posição exageradamente grande tomada pelo Estado e outros, inclusive um trecho que irei replicar aqui: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Estatismo é utópico: O próprio nome já diz. Argumenta sobre a posição exageradamente grande tomada pelo Estado e outros, inclusive um trecho que irei replicar aqui: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Statism is utopian? Maybe not so much. &#171; Check Your Premises</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>Statism is utopian? Maybe not so much. &#171; Check Your Premises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] May, 2008   In reply to my recent blog post Statism is utopian, John of blagnet.net wrote a reply on why my proposition that a workable system cannot emerge from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May, 2008   In reply to my recent blog post Statism is utopian, John of blagnet.net wrote a reply on why my proposition that a workable system cannot emerge from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blagnet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Anarchy is workable, Statism is not</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>Blagnet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Anarchy is workable, Statism is not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] entire month ago, Francois Tremblay wrote a blag post, Statism is Utopian that I blagged about here. In the comments, I told him I thought he was incorrect in his assertion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] entire month ago, Francois Tremblay wrote a blag post, Statism is Utopian that I blagged about here. In the comments, I told him I thought he was incorrect in his assertion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Francois Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Francois Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you everyone for your comments, I really appreciate it. John, I&#039;d like to hear more about your last point, if you want to expand on it a little bit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you everyone for your comments, I really appreciate it. John, I&#8217;d like to hear more about your last point, if you want to expand on it a little bit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blagnet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Statism is Utopian</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Blagnet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Statism is Utopian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tremblay wrote a little essay titled Statism is Utopian, explaining why it is incorrect to label anarcho-capitalism as Utopian and why Statism is the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: paxx:blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Die wahre Utopie</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>paxx:blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Die wahre Utopie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dieser Beitrag von Francois Tremblay deckt sich so stark mit meinen eigenen Gedanken (welche ich hier bereits oft genug publiziert habe), dass ich mir ausgesprochen unoriginell vorkomme  Tremblay kontert die Behauptung, eine Anarchie w&#252;rde ein unrealistisches Bild &#8220;perfekter Menschen&#8221; voraussetzen:  While popular, this objection is hard to understand on its face. Why do they believe an Anarchy requires particularly moral individuals? Is it because there is no authority to mediate between individuals, righting wrongs? While it is true that a society cannot survive long without a mediation process, and it would be very silly for anyone to fight against that process, it is unclear why we need a centralized authority in order to effect it. Anarchy is not the position that mediation should be eliminated: rather, it is the position that mediation should be decentralized. It is not order that we don’t believe in, but centralized authoritarian order relying on hierarchies of power. That’s what we’re fighting against. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dieser Beitrag von Francois Tremblay deckt sich so stark mit meinen eigenen Gedanken (welche ich hier bereits oft genug publiziert habe), dass ich mir ausgesprochen unoriginell vorkomme  Tremblay kontert die Behauptung, eine Anarchie w&#252;rde ein unrealistisches Bild &#8220;perfekter Menschen&#8221; voraussetzen:  While popular, this objection is hard to understand on its face. Why do they believe an Anarchy requires particularly moral individuals? Is it because there is no authority to mediate between individuals, righting wrongs? While it is true that a society cannot survive long without a mediation process, and it would be very silly for anyone to fight against that process, it is unclear why we need a centralized authority in order to effect it. Anarchy is not the position that mediation should be eliminated: rather, it is the position that mediation should be decentralized. It is not order that we don’t believe in, but centralized authoritarian order relying on hierarchies of power. That’s what we’re fighting against. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great post Francois! I love this post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great post Francois! I love this post</p>
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		<title>By: xomniverse</title>
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		<dc:creator>xomniverse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead on.</description>
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		<title>By: &#8230;no third solution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comments on Comments #12</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230;no third solution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comments on Comments #12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] responds to a common criticism of anarchists: our ideals are utopian, and hence impossible.  If Anarchy cannot “work,” then [...]</description>
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		<title>By: johnpetrie</title>
		<link>http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/statism-is-utopian/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>johnpetrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post, Francois. This is why I have a blog post category on my blog called Unrealistic. I haven&#039;t written much about this issue, but it is completely true that Statists are the ones guilty of Utopianism, not anarchists. Unless, of course, an anarchist claims everything would be just perfect and happy in a free society; that could never be true of any human society, ever.

Your post reminded me of three quotes from famous anarcho-capitalists, which you echoed quite eloquently. Rothbard said, &quot;In fact, the libertarian would reason that the fact that human nature is a mixture of both good and evil provides its own particular argument in his favor. For if man is such a mixture, then the best societal framework is surely one in which evil is discouraged and the good encouraged. The libertarian maintains that the existence of the State apparatus provides a ready, swift channel for the exercise of evil, since the rulers of the State are thereby legitimated and can wield compulsion in ways that no one else is permitted to do.&quot;

Gene Callahan wrote, &quot;Contra the author of one of The Federalist Papers, who wrote, &quot;If men were angels, no government would be necessary,&quot; I have always believed that if men were angels, the state might be acceptable. It is precisely our non-angelic nature that makes the power of the state too dangerous for any human to possess.&quot;

The third one isn&#039;t so much a quote, but actually a  sort of graphical or tabular representation of Statism vs. anarchism in an article by Robert Higgs for the Independent Institute (http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1982). His &quot;figure 2&quot; in that article is a table that says: If men are angels, then either a State or anarchy is OK. But if men are not angels, then anarchy is a bad situation but a State is a worse situation.

Sorry for making this comment so long; it was the quotes. But I also wanted to add that you ought to be careful with your analogy about anarchy being a workable situation and the State not; I could probably just as easily come up with an analogy for why it is perfectly feasible to go from an unworkable situation to a workable situation. I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; true that a workable situation cannot proceed from an unworkable situation. Maybe &quot;unworkable&quot; means different things, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, Francois. This is why I have a blog post category on my blog called Unrealistic. I haven&#8217;t written much about this issue, but it is completely true that Statists are the ones guilty of Utopianism, not anarchists. Unless, of course, an anarchist claims everything would be just perfect and happy in a free society; that could never be true of any human society, ever.</p>
<p>Your post reminded me of three quotes from famous anarcho-capitalists, which you echoed quite eloquently. Rothbard said, &#8220;In fact, the libertarian would reason that the fact that human nature is a mixture of both good and evil provides its own particular argument in his favor. For if man is such a mixture, then the best societal framework is surely one in which evil is discouraged and the good encouraged. The libertarian maintains that the existence of the State apparatus provides a ready, swift channel for the exercise of evil, since the rulers of the State are thereby legitimated and can wield compulsion in ways that no one else is permitted to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gene Callahan wrote, &#8220;Contra the author of one of The Federalist Papers, who wrote, &#8220;If men were angels, no government would be necessary,&#8221; I have always believed that if men were angels, the state might be acceptable. It is precisely our non-angelic nature that makes the power of the state too dangerous for any human to possess.&#8221;</p>
<p>The third one isn&#8217;t so much a quote, but actually a  sort of graphical or tabular representation of Statism vs. anarchism in an article by Robert Higgs for the Independent Institute (<a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1982" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1982</a>). His &#8220;figure 2&#8243; in that article is a table that says: If men are angels, then either a State or anarchy is OK. But if men are not angels, then anarchy is a bad situation but a State is a worse situation.</p>
<p>Sorry for making this comment so long; it was the quotes. But I also wanted to add that you ought to be careful with your analogy about anarchy being a workable situation and the State not; I could probably just as easily come up with an analogy for why it is perfectly feasible to go from an unworkable situation to a workable situation. I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s <i>a priori</i> true that a workable situation cannot proceed from an unworkable situation. Maybe &#8220;unworkable&#8221; means different things, though.</p>
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