Trans men are trying to coerce lesbians to fuck them…

This wonderful new “theory” of coercing lesbians to have sex with (trans) men is called the “cotton ceiling,” and it’s being promoted by Planned Parenthood Toronto. I don’t take stock in petitions, but if you want, you can sign one here. Here is femonade’s take on this new threat to female sexuality.

It’s funny how these trans men are using the same rhetoric men always use when they want to coerce women to fuck them: women are the gatekeepers, they have all the power, so they have to be nice and let us in… or else. Just goes to show you that penises all think the same, whether they’re trans or not.

23 thoughts on “Trans men are trying to coerce lesbians to fuck them…

  1. Gomi March 27, 2012 at 21:39

    It’s been pointed out repeatedly on other blogs and threads that the panel discussion in question isn’t about coercing anything. It’s meant as a discussion of trans experience in a predominately cis queer world, and the exclusion they perceive as such.

    Even in the email exchange posted on femonade’s post, “redacted trans” isn’t saying anything about coercing cis women into anything.

    And trans women aren’t “trans men.”

    • Francois Tremblay March 27, 2012 at 21:40

      *yawn* Keep preaching the word of the penis, Gomi.

      I dunno where this nonsense has been “pointed out,” but not on the blogs *I* read (see blogroll on the right). These are all the blogs that matter.

      • Gomi March 28, 2012 at 05:37

        Right, sorry, I forgot, perception bias is more important than understanding. Carry on.

        Oh, and if these are “trans men,” then what would you call a person who’s had surgery to change from a vagina to a penis?

        • Francois Tremblay March 28, 2012 at 12:37

          If you are so averse to the term “man,” then use MAAB or bepenised. It doesn’t bother me.

          “Right, sorry, I forgot, perception bias is more important than understanding. Carry on.”

          Oh, is that why you refuse to understand anything I write about on my blog? Well, at least you’re honest.

          “Oh, and if these are “trans men,” then what would you call a person who’s had surgery to change from a vagina to a penis?”

          I am not aware of any such surgery, unless you mean “female to male” surgery, which does not create an actual penis but the appearance of such.

          • Gomi March 28, 2012 at 13:04

            I’m not averse to the term “man,” but the point is that a “trans man” is female to male, while a “trans woman” is male to female. The people relevant to this discussion are trans women, not trans men.

            I get that, like the comments in the link you posted, you’re dismissive of the transgendered, but that’s a distinction they and others use. Trying to reverse the definitions certainly doesn’t make your communication any clearer. If you want to be understood, then maybe you should start with that.

            • Francois Tremblay March 28, 2012 at 13:08

              “I’m not averse to the term “man,” but the point is that a “trans man” is female to male, while a “trans woman” is male to female. The people relevant to this discussion are trans women, not trans men.”
              As I said, if the term man trips you up, then use another one, like MAAB or bepenised. I am not interested in discussing semantics with you because you are a dishonest commenter.

              “I get that, like the comments in the link you posted, you’re dismissive of the transgendered”
              How am I dismissive of trans people? I never said anything against them. My beef is with MAABs who will do everything they can to get FAABs to spread their legs for them (is that better? are you gonna stop whining now?).

              • Gomi March 28, 2012 at 13:37

                “As I said, if the term man trips you up, then use another one, like MAAB or bepenised. I am not interested in discussing semantics with you because you are a dishonest commenter.”
                The term doesn’t trip me up. Your inability to use it correctly does. Also, post-op trans women aren’t “bepenised,” and terms like MAAB negates the identification of the individual in favor of the desire of the viewer, which is directly contrary to the transgendered.

                “How am I dismissive of trans people? I never said anything against them. My beef is with MAABs who will do everything they can to get FAABs to spread their legs for them (is that better? are you gonna stop whining now?).”
                And yet, this event is still not coercive or “doing everything they can” to force lesbians to have sex with them. It’s a discussion of perceived exclusion.

                Like a couple of posters said in that comment thread, people are attracted to who they’re attracted to, and a cis lesbian isn’t necessarily (or yes, even likely to be) attracted to someone who used to be a man. But that doesn’t mean that trans lesbians can’t also discuss what they perceive as being sidelined by the broader queer community.

                And yes, insisting on referring to trans women as men is being dismissive of the transgendered. You’re refusing their self-identity and imposing your own on them. That’s actually kind of dismissive of anyone, not just the transgendered.

                • Francois Tremblay March 28, 2012 at 13:39

                  As usual, you are hopelessly confused and revel in your confusion. There’s really nothing I can do about that.

                • Gomi March 28, 2012 at 13:50

                  Then correct my confusion. Address why this event is a coercive one. Address why the transgendered should be defined by how you perceive them not as how they wish to define themselves. Make your argument. Prove your point.

                • Francois Tremblay March 28, 2012 at 13:51

                  I am done explaining anything to you, Gomi. I have tried to “correct your confusion” on a wide variety of points, to no avail. Either you are a particularly dense idiot or I am very bad at explanations, but it never ends well. Have fun with your woman-hatred.

  2. Gomi March 28, 2012 at 13:56

    “I am done explaining anything to you, Gomi. I have tried to “correct your confusion” on a wide variety of points, to no avail. Either you are a particularly dense idiot or I am very bad at explanations, but it never ends well.”
    You’ve proven very skilled at argument before, but this time you cop out. Come on, you’re better than this.

    “Have fun with your woman-hatred.”
    How do I hate women by saying that there is exclusion in the queer community?

    This isn’t rape. To equate it with rape diminishes the very real and horrible violation that rape is.

  3. Olly Oxinfree March 28, 2012 at 14:15

    “I don’t want to fuck you. I don’t owe you an explanation, I don’t want to hear your life story, and I don’t care about your gender ideology, experience, or assertions.
    “Go away. Take your PC tantrums with you.”

    Easy peasy.

    • Francois Tremblay March 28, 2012 at 14:18

      Well put.

    • Gomi March 28, 2012 at 14:34

      Agreed, well put. Succinct.

  4. dyksfunctional April 3, 2012 at 07:23

    What a *SHOCK* for these (trans) men!!

    Females didn’t want to fuck them when they were men… LESBIANS don’t want to fuck them in a dress.

    Too much porn. They all download/watch toooo much porn.

  5. dyksfunctional April 3, 2012 at 07:38

    The “CC” is about cismen not getting laid… no little blue pill for that.

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  7. bugbrennan April 3, 2012 at 15:52

    Reblogged this on You think I just don't understand, but I don't believe you. and commented:
    “It’s funny how these trans men are using the same rhetoric men always use when they want to coerce women to fuck them: women are the gatekeepers, they have all the power, so they have to be nice and let us in… or else. Just goes to show you that penises all think the same, whether they’re trans or not.”

    Right?

  8. ibleedpurple April 4, 2012 at 00:01

    It’s amazing how many people can overlook the fact that Drew actually said on his twitter that the conference was really supposed to get people like him laid.

    I guess they have a viral disinformation campaign going on based on their victim status. People also continuously disregard the, to put it mildly, guilt-tripping potential of the opinion that penises can be vaginas and that it then follows that it’s bigotted of lesbians to refuse to have sex with a penis. The blissful ignorance that people have of blatant emotional manipulation like that is breath-taking. Guess the trans can never do wrong…

    Not to mention that this was an exclusive meeting only allowing male-born people to attend – while the rest of the queer community, the one they proclaimed to want to talk to, was disinvited. This is a blatant attempt at social engineering exploiting the trust that a victimized personality is able to induce in others.

    • Francois Tremblay April 4, 2012 at 00:04

      Thanks, I will post this video on the blog.

  9. bugbrennan April 4, 2012 at 04:09

    Thank you for standing up for Females. It’s not “transphobic” for Lebians (yanno, Female homosexuals) not to want to have sex with trans women, nor is it transphobic to acknowledge Female biology.

    Now, I must be off, I need a tampon.

  10. Nicky April 4, 2012 at 13:15

    Reblogged this on Living Kallmann’s Syndrome and commented:
    Classic example of Trans trying to shove their theory down people’s throat, just to validate their existence to people. It amounts to the same thing that they do to Intersex people by shoving down their theories down intersex people’s faces. It just shows how psychotic they are, when you argue with them and what kind of theories they keep peddling to people. It’s almost like a snake oil sales man at work.

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