Clarissa, of Clarissa’s Blog, says, stop complaining about the exploitation of women! Sit down and shut up!

So Clarissa, of Clarissa’s Blog, addressed my entry on funfems by saying that I shouldn’t call them funfems. And the discussion ended by her saying:

“[she said-]“- Exploitation of women in this statement still refers to the PIV, I presume? Which is still sexual intercourse?”
[I said-] No… exploitation of women means the exploitation of women. Treating women as second class citizens, treating women as objects, treating women as a means by which men’s constructed needs can be satisfied. Which includes, but is not by far limited to, PIV.”

[she said-] – So removing the empty meaningless verbiage, you do equate sexual practices crowds of women dare to enjoy with their exploitation? That is precisely a condescending woman-hating attitude of yours I’m bringing to your attention. It is not your place to tell other people, people whose experiences you cannot conceivably share what constitutes their exploitation. On the subject of exploitation of a group to which you do not belong, you cannot possibly have anything legitimate to say. Your only acceptable role is to sit quietly and listen. Anything else is grossly offensive to that group of people. Got it?

This sociopathic funfem sure taught me a lesson. When I see something wrong happen to someone whose group I do not identify with, I should sit down and shut up. Because the best thing to do when one sees evil is to sit down and shut up. I have nothing legitimate to say about natalism because I am happy with my life. I have nothing legitimate to say about child trafficking or child abuse because I am not a child. I have nothing legitimate to say about racism because I am white. I have nothing legitimate to say about rape or sexism because I am a man. So instead of denouncing all these things, I should just shut the fuck up.

And then they wonder why I hate people with a passion. Her goal is to intimidate anyone who disagrees with funfem and make me feel guilty for speaking up against the evils she supports. This is sick, evil and twisted. Suicide really is wasted on the sensitive.

I will never stop being a radfem ally unless radfem women tell me to stop. No one else has any business telling me to stop. The fact that I am a man does not mean I will sit idly and collaborate with the exploitation and marginalization of women, and fuck you to anyone who thinks I should.

Now let me be clear, I agree that I should be held to suspicion for being a man talking about radfem topics, and I think I am making sufficient due diligence in researching these topics before I write about them. I am reading radfem books and radfem blogs, and I’m always learning. I am open to rebuttals on my entries. Clarissa, of Clarissa’s Blog, on the other hand, does not want to refute anything I said: she wants to shut me up.

Finally, a couple other comments by Clarissa, of Clarissa’s Blog, during this exchange:

It’s sad that nobody wants you and you have no idea about what sex is all about.

*I* have the right to express my opinion on my blog about your attempts to analyze a political movement you know nothing about.

Apparently I don’t know anything about sex or feminism, and no one wants me (does that include my wife or…?). I must be one dumb bimbo dick. Or maybe all my opinions are by default invalid because I am a dumb bimbo dick? Gee, I dunno. Political movements are hard. *giggle*

40 thoughts on “Clarissa, of Clarissa’s Blog, says, stop complaining about the exploitation of women! Sit down and shut up!

  1. Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:16

    She is friends with Renee from Womanist Musings…..what do you expect?

    • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:27

      I don’t read Womanist Musings… don’t think I’ve ever seen it, actually. Another funfem blog?

      • Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:30

        Yup. Renee wrote one post where she basically took a shit on Ashley Judd for speaking out against Hollywood’s bullshit beauty standards. “You participated in it, therefore you are not allowed to talk about patriarchy!” What?

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:31

          So any woman who has ever followed the fuckability mandate to any extent is not allowed to talk about the patriarchy?

          … what woman does that not include?

          • Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:38

            Anyone who follows Renee’s fucked up standards which is impossible since she seems to be attacking any woman ever. She also allowed a guy to write a post about his attempt at raping a woman. She got mad when everyone called her on it. She doesn’t allow that guy to write posts anymore but will allow him to comment on her blog. Her reasoning? He is supposedly a great guy! Oh yeah, like a guy who ADMITTEDLY planned to rape a woman is a nice guy! =.=

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:42

          Yikes. And it’s not woman-hating because…? I’m guessing, because the guy is “sensitive”? They seem to love to rubber-stamp men so they can rape with relative impunity.

          I was actually surprised to learn that a recent radfem conference has a men’s panel. This surely cannot make any sense. (yes there is the occasional male who is really an ally and doesn’t just use feminism as a way to have sex or rape women, but so what?)

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:48

          Well, I know there is this phenomenon of men who claim to be “sensitive” to women’s plight and use that cred as a way to rape women and get away with it. Other women say it can’t be true because he’s so “sensitive”! He could never have done it!

          • Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:55

            Yeah and pigs can fly and I can whistle with no problem! /sarcasm

  2. Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:47

    A men’s panel at a Rad Fem conference? For serious?

    • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:50

      Oh that? Yea. I just read it in the latest IBTP comments thread. Here is the comment about it:

      “@AlienNumber: what conference were you at? Just curious, because I was recently at a RadFem conference that had a men’s panel on it, which received many a’cheer. Maybe you are someone I know.
      Neenerneener.”
      Someone said, and confirmed, that it was a “Stop Porn Culture conference”
      Uuuuuh… okay. I made a comment about how befuddled I was by that. I probably shouldn’t have, but I was really WTFed.

      • Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:55

        Wow…….that is weird………

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:57

          Yea, I don’t understand what’s the big deal about having women’s spaces free from (trans) men if they just allow men anyway. That just makes no sense.

          • Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 5, 2012 at 00:58

            I think it might depend though……or that person might be lying………Who knows?

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 00:59

          Well, the two people who say they were there said it happened, so… I dunno. And they seemed perfectly OK with it. *shrug*

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 01:03

          But hey, apparently we should all shut up because we’re not good enough to comment on gender issues… Because I am a man and you’re against rapists, so we’re not good enough. :)

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 01:07

          Obviously. You and I are too repulsive to ever get laid, so we don’t count as full human beings. Or so I’m told. (I think my wife would disagree on that, but whatever)

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 01:12

          Become a spinster, I guess, and own seventeen cats. I think that’s pretty much all you can do. Or become an eccentric who stores her money under her bed and talks to pigeons (bonus points if they talk back).

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 01:13

          I see you have a blog. Are you gonna post on it? The title is pretty promising; I like that you put the word fuck right in there.

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 01:17

          Huh? I don’t see any posts from you, only the WordPress template entry from April 7 that you haven’t removed yet.

        • Francois Tremblay July 5, 2012 at 01:21

          Oh I see it now. You need to change your profile link, it’s pointing to a previous URL, I guess.

  3. Alison Randall July 5, 2012 at 18:40

    I can verify that Franc and I are both technically “fuckable” and “wanted,” and are thus worthy of being called human beings.

  4. bj September 29, 2012 at 06:34

    This reminds me. I found what I had thought to be a great feminist blog, and commented regularly. Being new to the whole movement, I often remarked on some of the stupid things I have heard anti-choicers etc say. One of the moderators of the blog had to make a *special* post about my posts basically saying that ‘we’ve heard it all before and unless you *advance* the discussion we do not want to hear anything you have to say’
    (the subtext was, advance the discussion in a very narrow way that she approved of)

    And she was really *mean* about it. Perhaps she does have a good point. Its important to advance the discussion – you do not want your blog cluttered up with pointless posts. BUT, if you want to engage people, and not alienate those who would otherwise be on your side – don’t treat them like crap for being naive!

    I no longer read that blog. I do not post there, and i do not tell people about it. So how exactly has it helped their cause? Or does ego come before the cause?

    (ps I am female)

    • Francois Tremblay September 29, 2012 at 12:17

      Yes, well… radfem blogs especially have pretty strict comment policies, because of the attacks made against their blogs. That does make commenting rather more difficult, but it’s a tradeoff. I have to say that there is NO other category of blogs where comments thread are so rich and full of information (often more than the posts themselves) than radfem blogs.

  5. bj September 29, 2012 at 13:09

    This particular blog is a small time Canadian blog – the comment threads are generally rather uninteresting.

    I will however check out the radfem blogs you link to.

    and btw, MRA’s have to be some of the worst people on the planet!

    I spend a lot of time on yahoo comments (lots of dumb people, its fun) and soooooooo many guys are posting about how ‘a guy has the right to procreate too’ and ‘its his sperm and his child how dare she !!”

    and they say it without irony!

    unbelievable

    your blog posts have been really helpful too and I thank you for that. it hurts my brain to ‘debate’ people who think that imposing suffering is the MORAL thing to do b/c hey, some kids might end up happy! (they were adopted, or preemie, and THEY are happy, so everyone else should be forced to go through the same thing b/c a couple idiots got lucky in life)

    • Francois Tremblay September 29, 2012 at 14:42

      Yea, if you check the feminist blogs on my blogroll, I recommend you read the comments sections as well, because they are almost always worth the time.

      MRAs are horrible people. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. The sad thing is, I don’t think they are exceptionally horrible. They’re just saying things out loud that others just think. Just think about it, almost half of people support a political party engaged in a war against women.

      I’m glad you like my entries. I get a lot of idiots and trolls, but I know I’m reaching some people, and that’s all I want.

  6. bj September 29, 2012 at 13:15

    one last thing
    almost forgot

    what is it with people who have known genetic disorders breeding anyways?

    I was watching this show on TLC and this guy had a giant tumour covering his entire face. He had 3 kids and was expecting a fourth. And it was *really* stressful for him b/c the new baby might end up disfigured like his dad.

    Those people are *purposely* breeding knowing full well that there is a good chance that their new child is going to suffer horribly with an incurable disease. The father went through hell and still does. Constant bullying, weird stares, inability to breathe/eat properly and he is taking that chance with a future child.

    What the FUCK Is wrong with people.

    ————–

    I probably sound like a dork, being such a blabbermouth here! But, I have always been very anti-natalist, and just didn’t know it. I can remember that as a teen I was talking to a neighbour and he said that having babies was my job as a woman! I wanted to punch him right there.

    I also value my bodily autonomy to such an extent that if I was ever forced to give birth I would probably kill myself first before going through with that. But to these people, a potential life is worth more than someone else’s mental suffering!

    • Francois Tremblay September 29, 2012 at 14:44

      Yea, I don’t know what to say to that. It’s revolting. There is a reason why I argue against the “do whatever you want” ideology. It’s nice on paper, but what it really ends up being, given our cultural climate, is an attack against the dispossessed, including children.

      Glad to know you’re an AN. There are so few of us, so keep in touch. :)

  7. bj September 29, 2012 at 16:18

    I just went on a walk with my mom. She agrees with you too. She actually came out with some AN stuff *on her own* without prodding! I am so proud of her! She said “noone has the right to be born”

    I drive my boyfriend crazy with my constant AN talk ( I get really excited about it I think you can tell) and hes always telling me to stfu BUT he does agree 100cpt

    So thats three of us you’ve got! And I think there are lots of people out there with similar feelings. Quite a few on yahoo, surprisingly. So there is hope!

    • Francois Tremblay September 30, 2012 at 00:16

      Pretty cool. The Antinatalist chat room I used to go to is dead now, but we should meet and chat sometime. Maybe I can get my AN friend Samantha to chat too, although I haven’t seen her in days.

  8. bj September 30, 2012 at 14:38

    Well to start, I am going to send my mom the link to your blog

    There is a lot of reading to do, so I told her to pace herself ;)

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