Someone enjoys rape jokes, so they’re okay!

I’m sorry to have to say this, but commenter JR exhibited a perfect example of the voluntaryist mentality in a comment about yesterday’s link:

I disagree. There are some odd contradictions in liberal feminism, to be sure. But that is just because it isn’t progressive enough. Case in point: liberal feminists are currently upset about Daniel Tosh’s rape jokes. But sooner or later they will realize that there is at least one woman somewhere who consents to listen to rape jokes, by paying to see his shows, and reports that she enjoys it, just as there are many who consent to and enjoy sadomasochism.

Feminism should be inclusive towards these women who enjoy rape jokes, just as it should be toward sadomasochism. It’s no one’s place to judge them. Attacking rape jokes and the men who make them is simply marginalizing to these women’s experiences and identity. If a woman identifies as a rape-joke enjoyer, she deserves respect. Every woman has a right to enjoy rape jokes, without being judged for doing so. In conclusion, IT’S TIME TO STAND UP FOR WOMEN WHO ENJOY RAPE JOKES, and stop marginalizing them through claiming rape jokes are “bad”.

I hope I don’t have to dissect this. This “one person enjoys X, therefore X is okay!” is pure subjectivism and total bullshit. But that’s the bullshit you commit to when you commit to a position as nonsensical as voluntaryism. You end up supporting rape jokes.

But JR doesn’t take it nearly far enough. Heck, I’m sure there’s a woman out there who enjoys rape. Why are feminists so against rape? Doyyyyyy…

Rape jokes are wrong because trivializing the rape culture is anti-women! No matter how much any given woman might enjoy it. What does someone’s enjoyment of a thing have to do with it being right or wrong?

Seriously JR, abandon this bizarre ethics of feelings and start thinking rationally about it. I’m not going to allow you to post comments that are against women any more than I allow comments that are anti-atheism or pro-government. People’s feelings are not a guide to reason or public policy.

By the way, JR, can you give us the derivation of this supposed “right to enjoy rape jokes”? Just curious.

9 thoughts on “Someone enjoys rape jokes, so they’re okay!

  1. alleee July 14, 2012 at 14:46

    Does every man have a right to enjoy telling hateful jokes about women, and should not be judged for doing so? I don’t get this. People are judged for things because we have morality. A woman has the right to judge others for herself, and others have the right to judge her judgment. A woman has the right to hate “niggers,” but does not have the right to “not be judged for doing so.”

    I know I didn’t need to say this, but I felt some stuff coming up in my throat and I thought this would help keep it down.

  2. alleee July 14, 2012 at 14:48

    “Nobody should criticize anybody,” I said, jokingly.
    “No. You should criticize people who criticize rape jokes,” replied Francois.

  3. Bedelia Bloodyknuckle July 14, 2012 at 15:12

    Hypocrisy, bullshit and everything stupid: That’s what Liberals are made out of!

  4. JR July 14, 2012 at 17:11

    I guess I should have clearer. I am being sacrastic. The gauge should definitely not be whether there is some group of women who can be construed to enjoy something. My point is that eroticizing rape in the form of pornography is considered immunized from criticism on the grounds of consent, whereas humorizing it is not, even though the first is closer to reality and both involve “consent” under capitalism. So now a comedian breaks the third wall and involves a heckler in his rape joke, and people are understandably upset. But this outrage doesn’t seem to extend to pornographers, who break the third wall everyday. It’s like, if it involves only the speech people take offense, but if it involves perpetuating the speech on a real woman in real life, it’s fine. If I were a feminist I would have to have issues with both.

    • Francois Tremblay July 14, 2012 at 17:18

      Actually, he didn’t “involve a heckler.” He threatened someone of rape and endangered her for heckling him saying that rape jokes are okay.
      I am against pornography too. My outrage does not stop to rape jokes.

      • JR July 15, 2012 at 05:08

        Well, I already said it is not literal, so this post is misconstruing me, but whatever. I thought it would be pretty obvious that all caps “IT’S TIME TO STAND UP FOR WOMEN WHO ENJOY RAPE JOKES” is not to be taken seriously.

        • Francois Tremblay July 15, 2012 at 14:03

          Uh yea… but it’s actually no different from what MRAs say. So unless you want to fall victim to Poe’s Law again, try to make your satire more obvious.

    • Francois Tremblay July 14, 2012 at 19:31

      I’d rather you not post links from funfem blogs, on the whole, although I guess this is a good entry.

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