The topsy-turvy world of Christian “morality.”

Dawson Bethrick, a.k.a. Bahnsen Burner (a pun on the name of presuppositionalist theologian Greg Bahnsen), on his blog Incinerating Presuppositionalism, spends the time needed to fully deconstruct presup rhetoric and expose its contradictions. In this entry he discusses the fact that Christianity both claims to be ruled by an all-good God, but at the same time justifies the existence of evil.

The upshot is that Sye cannot give an unqualified “no” in response to this question. According to his worldview, there is a sense in which evil is morally justifiable. This is the Christian worldview we’re talking about. According to one of its spokesmen, the Christian worldview allows for cases in which evil is morally justifiable. In other words, as a worldview, it does not take a firm, absolute and uncompromising stand against evil, but in fact allows it under certain circumstances. In fact, the Christian worldview allows for evil in achieving some “holy purpose.” According to Christianity, then, evil is ultimately moral!

The foregoing is not some petty gripe against the Christian god (for it is merely imaginary in the first place), but a powerful and damning indictment against the Christianity as a viable worldview and the claim that it provides the necessary foundations for morality. Flat and simple, Christianity holds that evil is morally justifiable. Without this underlying premise, Christianity has no “solution” to the problem of evil; and by incorporating claims which assume this premise, apologists give away the fact that it really has no solution to the problem of evil to begin with. For by offering the view that “God has a morally sufficient reason for the evil that exists” (Bahnsen), or the view that the “ordination” of evil by the Christian god is morally justifiable (Sye Ten Bruggencate), presuppositionalists inadvertently acknowledge that evil is sourced in their god and that without the choices and actions their god has, according to Christian narratives, made, evil would never have existed in the first place. The logic is impeccable: given the premises of presuppositionalism, any act of evil can ultimately be “justified.”

7 thoughts on “The topsy-turvy world of Christian “morality.”

  1. bj December 10, 2012 at 23:26

    So if God chooses to let a child suffer, in order to ‘teach compassion’, God is exploiting that child, which is uhm, immoral no?

    • Francois Tremblay December 10, 2012 at 23:30


      • bj December 10, 2012 at 23:43


        • Francois Tremblay December 10, 2012 at 23:46

          Oh. I thought you were going somewhere with that.

        • Francois Tremblay December 11, 2012 at 00:12

          To anyone who argued such a thing, I would simply answer, “How do you know that?”

          • bj December 11, 2012 at 17:54

            From the blog you linked:

            “Sye’s eventual answer to this question was conspicuously terse. He wrote:

            “Commission of it, no, ordination of it by God, yes.””

            People like to pick on slavery as an example of how God permitted evil to occur, in fact, even condoned it. However, I just realized that the bible does not actually speak against pedophilia, does it? (at least, within a marriage). So if the bible = the inerrant word of God, and the bible tells us how we should behave, then pedophilia = acceptable!

            In the muslim world, marrying girls as young as 9 is considered to be a moral good, b/c ‘the prophet married a 7 year old’. And the prophet was *never* wrong, about anything!@ (after all, God guided him in every decision I believe).

            In the western world, it was freethinkers, and feminists, who spoke out against child marriage. If not for these people, the church would still be touting the objective morality of child rape!

            Of course, the real irony in all this, is that the church likes to take credit for ‘uplifting’ women, and children. Hah! Hilariously, one of the commenters on a right wing blog that I read is always talking about how the ‘lefturds’ (and feminists, interestingly eough??) want to legalize pedophilia, and how the scriptures prophesize the coming apocalypse thanks to these depraved ‘lieberals’. Yet, his own fucking bible (which, apparenlty, he hasnt actually read) never does condemn the VERY things he is railing against…


            p.s. and they know it, cuz they do! I have put that question to theists, and the ones that I have talked to, at least, just ‘know it’, end of discussion, kthxbye they say!

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