A short description of the porn industry.

UPDATE: It appears this item may contain inaccuracies. I don’t recommend using it as a source.

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From Gender Agnostic, a description of the porn industry and what it’s really all about.

Now let’s say that this unregulated, free-market industry has the following statistic:

The average life expectancy of workers in this industry is 36.2 years.

That’s less than half of what the average American lifespan is (78.6 years).

Now, let’s say that within this industry, a full 66% of workers have communicable diseases that can substantially lower the quality of life, and roughly 1 in 10 have a disease that is, ultimately, a death sentence (HIV).

Now let’s say that there are no mandatory checks and balances in place to ensure that these diseases don’t spread through the working population; only volunteer screenings happening at intermittent times—and are all at a cost to the worker. We also know that 70% of these infections occur in women (typically women in age ranges of 18-26), a rate 10x higher than in the general population.

Now, let’s say that this was an industry that basically re-writes your brain; it affects how you view others and yourself.

Now, let’s call the industry what it is.

It’s porn.

23 thoughts on “A short description of the porn industry.

  1. Independent Radical July 12, 2014 at 20:37 Reply

    This description is brilliant, except for this statement;

    “Now, let’s say that this was an industry that basically re-writes your brain; it affects how you view others and yourself.”

    I think it is kind of a wimpy statement. Pornography does not just change your brain, a lot of things change your brain and your view of the world and not always in a bad way (e.g. education changes your brain.) Pornography encourages people to either be violent, aggressive jerks or allow people to behave violent and aggressively towards them. Why not just they that?

    I know the statement is supposed to be read in the context of the other statements, but the fact that an industry is exploitative does not prove that its products are going to have a harmful effect on people’s minds. It does prove that the industry is psychopathic, but all capitalist industries are and a lot of capitalist industries effect how we think (including industries that are allied with the pornography industry, such as the media, advertising, the beauty industry, etc.)

    I think we need to be more blunt and less euphemistic when we are talking about pornography, because we do not come right out and tell people what we mean we are giving the pornographers and their “feminist” allies the chance to deceive people.

    • Tabi July 20, 2014 at 19:57 Reply

      Hi! Not quite sure how y’all found my post, but I’ll address the comment.
      There’s considerable evidence to support a concept of pornography as addictive. Withdrawal periods for individuals cutting back on porn consumption isn’t uncommon, and scientific studies measuring tumescence in long-term porn users has demonstrated desensitization and acclimatization. In short: you need harder stuff to, well, get hard.

      There’s some research investigating the role of maladaptive serotonin and dopamine in the brain during pornography. Early research indicates a similar dopamine agonist very similar to drugs like heroin and cocaine. As for changing your perception of other people, studies conducted within the 18-24 cohort have discovered that men who self-identify as watching over 5 hours of porn a week (don’t quote me on numbers, I don’t have my Big Book Of Stats open at the moment) have a vastly higher likelihood of believing some pretty awful things, like:
      -some women deserve to be raped
      -scantily clad women are “asking for it”
      -paying money on a date entitles you to physical recompense

      There’s also evidence demonstrating a correlation between long-term porn use and erectile dysfunction in men, a lowering of commitment and fidelity, and a difficulty in achieving orgasm with an actual partner.

      All these statements can be corroborated on my blog under the Education sidebar. I’m also happy to assist others in researching the information for themselves.

      • Independent Radical August 3, 2014 at 09:25 Reply

        In case I did not make this clear, I am very anti-porn. I agree with what you said. I just think your original sentence (“Now, let’s say that this was an industry that basically re-writes your brain; it affects how you view others and yourself.”) is too vague and therefore it is a wimpy critique of pornography. You should have just bluntly stated that pornography is addictive and makes men into sexist jerks. Women are taught to write and speak in a very euphemistic, overly-sensitive way as if they have very little confidence in what they are saying and statements like “it affects your brain” strike me as an example of this.

        • Francois Tremblay August 3, 2014 at 14:42 Reply

          Your statement is far too weak. Orgasm is the most powerful conditioning device known to humankind. Let’s not overestimate it, which would be a grave mistake.

  2. Francois Tremblay July 12, 2014 at 23:03 Reply

    Yea, I agree with what you said definitely.

  3. gesegi July 14, 2014 at 01:56 Reply

    That life expectancy statistic is bogus. It’s calculated by averaging the age at death of porn stars who have died, and ignoring those who are still alive.

    http://open.salon.com/blog/wqbelle/2011/02/20/the_average_life_expectancy_of_a_porn_star_by_rev_daniel_r_jennings

    • Francois Tremblay July 14, 2014 at 02:10 Reply

      How the fuck could you possibly measure the life span of people who are still alive?

      • gesegi July 14, 2014 at 02:23 Reply

        You can’t measure it of course but you can estimate it.

        In any case, if you have a group of people and some fraction of them have died, averaging their age at death doesn’t give the life expectancy of the whole group, that is just obvious on its face. Pornographic actors do have a lower life expectancy than the average but there is no way it’s 36 years old.

  4. Peter Cowen July 16, 2014 at 04:29 Reply

    I’m with gesegi here, I can’t find actuarial studies on the average lifespan of a porn star but not having correct factual information doesn’t justify say…the belief in God! Because that is a very similar analogy. Well I don’t have the correct science for what came before God so I’ll just insert whatever theory I like that suits my bias and call it true and if you can’t say different then I am right

    Not exactly critical thinking is it?

    I’m also guessing that whoever wrote that article is not at all medically literate. HIV is a scourge but its also a source of prejudice, one that has been dealt with in my family and social group (one member contracted it, another adopted two children with HIV from Africa after having worked there for many years in a medical capacity). This idea that it is a death sentence is pure bullshit and a form of prejudice. Recent advances with medical treatment has meant that it is now a once a day pill for a significant portion of your treatment and if contracted at say 25 then your life expectancy remains identical to a non infected person on current projections. We aren’t 100% on the long term effects of the body suffering higher than average levels of inflammation and there are long term health issues that could reduce quality of life after contracting HIV but Auto Immune Disease symptoms are unlikely to trouble you now any more than say the heart attacks or cancer you might well develop by that time anyway, The amount of health monitoring and treatment you get means you are likely to address problems the ordinary person wouldn’t (like weight and cholesterol) so it is swings and roundabouts as to just how bad the effects of living with HIV are in the longer term.

    But for the people who have to deal with it, many of whom weren’t drug addicts or promiscuous don’t promote the dumb fucking idea that this is 30 years ago and they are living on a death sentence, it is a form of prejudice and contributes to the shitty perceptual prison that others create and they live. Might not sound like a big deal – live it for a while I suspect you might change your mind. Oh also while on treatment, virus levels are undetectable and its a 1 in a million chance to infect someone. No reason to not treat it as an active concern and be responsible but you aren’t dying and also you aren’t going to cut yourself and infect your entire village.

    And as to the porn industry and HIV according to Michael Weinstein with the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, an organisation pushing for mandatory condom use, says the number is low. It is a small number but 100% preventable.

    There have been fewer than a dozen cases in the past two decades compared to 3000 new HIV infections in the county of Los Angeles alone. There are reports that there may be up to 16 unpublicised infections as well.

    …………………………………

    With so many good reasons to criticise the porn industry that it is like shooting fish in a barrel why on earth would you rely on a shit badly sourced article relying on fear and scare tactics. I don’t think this helps the case at all but it is also slightly less than I expect visiting your site, before you say I’m free to leave I say that with due regard to your normal excellent philosophical rigour.

    • Francois Tremblay July 16, 2014 at 04:33 Reply

      I’m not “relying” on this data for anything, I’m just “relaying” it to my readers as an item they might find interesting. I don’t vouch for the accuracy of the data.

      • Peter Cowen July 16, 2014 at 07:02 Reply

        Accuracy of data, accuracy of information, prejudice and crap all rolled into one. I guess you might find some readers interested in it! When I say rely I meant in terms of as a source of information to present to your blog readership.

        Well anyway you’ve presented it and I’ve given you my reaction. So on goes the day.

  5. Heretic July 16, 2014 at 12:03 Reply

    Peter Cowen: Excuse me, but appropriately-inappropriate is studying anthropology and also works in emergency services. There is even a ‘serophobia’ tag on tumblr claiming that people who don’t want to have sex with HIV-infected or other STD-infected individuals are bigots. Many pornographers are NOT enforcing condom use (because they lose money; masturbators don’t want to see ’em) and with the “money shot” practice, actresses are getting STDs in their fucking eyes. Look up all the actresses who have committed suicide or OD’d on drugs, because they count too. As for being a ‘badly sourced’ article, then you’re going to have to prove it, because the statistics from National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children, Internet Safety 101 and Stop Porn Culture all check out with cited studies. Where are YOUR sources, anyway?

  6. Heretic July 16, 2014 at 12:19 Reply

    Also, all this boo-hooing and how-dare-yous over Francois posting from that blogger stuff is really about the blogger – she’s got anon on, you are welcome to send her an ask if it’s that bothersome to you: http://appropriately-inappropriate.tumblr.com/ask

  7. Peter Cowen July 16, 2014 at 13:15 Reply

    Perhaps you missed this: “Well anyway you’ve presented it and I’ve given you my reaction. So on goes the day”.

    Since this is the blog I am reading I will reserve the right to comment on this blog reproducing crap as opposed to high quality stuff I am used to seeing here. I have no interest in contacting someone whose writing and fact finding is of that bad a quality.

    As for a-a working in the emergency services…good for her the article and facts are still wrong. So it turns out that someone working in the emergency services and studying anthropology can still be a fucking moron! Shocker. Now you know. It isn’t relevant at all to the topic at hand.

    As for the random things you find on the internet, well good for you and bad for them but it doesn’t change the prejudice that HIV positive people face. This is the real world not the random memes and pages on the internet, real people and real experience. Get out and talk to them or work in the heathcare industry and buy a clue, turns out that Tumblr isn’t an accurate reflection of what they face.

    My sources were the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, not some porn industry advocate and not someone with an axe to grind against the porn industry but someone genuinely interested in a fact based conversation and getting condoms used in every circumstance. But I did quote my source in my rant if you’d cared to read it rather than frothing at the mouth.

  8. Peter Cowen July 16, 2014 at 13:30 Reply

    Oh and ffs…getting it through the eye? How do you know it was an infection through the eye? While not absolutely impossible the statistical improbabilities stack up high because the membranes there are thick enough to make it improbable. How would those numbers stack up?

    Considering virus levels must be taken into account and a persons receptivity to the particular HIV in question it is never going to be particularly accurate. A meta analysis of 10 studies examining vaginal sex suggests receptive vaginal sex has an exposure risk of 0.08% or 1 transmission every 1250 exposures. Receptive anal is higher at 0.4-3.38% so about 1.4% on the meta analysis and oral risks are incredibly hard to study but you can certainly suggest that it is low but not impossible, so that would be a lot lower than 0.08% and now I’d suggest that based on the membranes around the eye that the amount of risk through the eye is even lower than that.

    Not impossible, but so incredibly unlikely that you would have to be a fucking moron yourself if you assume this is regular enough for you to mention it in such an exclamatory fashion.

  9. Paul July 16, 2014 at 14:06 Reply
  10. Heretic July 20, 2014 at 14:59 Reply

    “not someone with an axe to grind against the porn industry but someone genuinely interested in a fact based conversation and getting condoms used in every circumstance.” actually, that IS one of the axes to grind against the porn industry which aia was talking about, the fact that pornographers are NOT enforcing condom use since, after all, masturbators don’t wanna see ’em. profit loss there, and HIV tests can have false negatives. even if HIV risk were low, that doesn’t excuse the lack of safety. just look at the recent news of the pornstars with HIV outbreaks (some of them knowing they were positive) and one of them bleeding during a shoot; it’s the third time the industry has shut down because of it. NONE of this recklessness with bodily fluids would be acceptable in any other industry. “How do you know it was an infection through the eye?” look up chlamydia, herpes, or gonorrhea of the eyes. maybe stop obsessing over pure numbers and start looking at material realities and what exited women have to say about the harms of the sex industry, yeah? or are you just a misogynist who doesn’t care to hear what women say if they’re not all scientists? ” it doesn’t change the prejudice that HIV positive people face. This is the real world not the random memes and pages on the internet, real people and real experience.” but the HIV-positive people and their allies posting about “serophobia” on the internet DO exist IRL, that’s the point. don’t tell me they don’t believe people not wanting to fuck them is some sort of bigotry. at the very least it’s considered sexual assault if you knowingly have sex with someone and you’re infected with an STD and don’t tell them (depending on state law).

    • Francois Tremblay July 20, 2014 at 15:04 Reply

      “not someone with an axe to grind against the porn industry”

      What about a labrys to grind? :)

  11. Heretic July 20, 2014 at 15:10 Reply

    ” not some porn industry advocate and not someone with an axe to grind against the porn industry but someone genuinely interested in a fact based conversation and getting condoms used in every circumstance.” huh, funny how even Francois’ posts are logic-based and are wholeheartedly against the sex industry but do not all cite hard stats but when a woman does it it’s somehow not relevant. and there’s nothing wrong with being *against* the industry, which hides behind the first amendment of ‘free speech’ while dodging obscenity laws and every criticism of hate speech against women and minorities. i noticed you didn’t even debunk the content of her post, but expect people to ignore the industry in favor of HIV stats. it’s safe to say you’re not even interested in studies regarding the harms of porn/the sex industry at all – guess that’d be “an axe to grind” (heaven forbid!) – much less what exited women have to say.

  12. Heretic July 20, 2014 at 17:46 Reply

    “the article and facts are still wrong” you mean just because she didn’t go by YOUR sources? ironic. “This idea that it is a death sentence is pure bullshit and a form of prejudice.” damn, guess people who find out they have HIV and are distraught over it are PREJUDICED! wow, better not let them find that out, especially the part where treatment is still expensive!

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