Waaaah Tremblay is so mean!

How dare I argue against women-haters instead of just agreeing with whatever they say. Deanna will tell you what’s what!

Fellow men like Francois Tremblay, who repeatedly use violent and/or paternalistic language in response to women disagreeing with them, bring up a question I want to discuss: what level of tolerance should there be for expressions of hatred from self-styled “male allies” against women who they believe are falsely claiming to be feminists (or are “pro-BDSM, pro-porn or pro-prostitution,” or the like)?…

If you, a totally radical-feminist-allied dude who, can “talk back” to (as in, slur, hate on, violently address) women who are not radical enough for your sensibilities, what stops a self-identified “sex-positive feminist” man (I talked to one of those today, it was awful) from watching you and thinking “if it’s men’s place to insult and swear at women who are doing feminism wrong, that means I can harass the SWERFs and TERFs at will!”?

And what if you’re wrong? Imagine for a moment that you are not the Obelisk of Objectivity and that the basic principle of skepticism does in fact imply the possibility that the feminists you agree with (in Tremblay’s case, self-identified radical feminists) could be wrong about whatever it is you believe the other women are wrong about.

Oh no, what if I’m wrong? I’ve never thought about that before! And what if bigoted assholes decide to say mean things because… they saw me do it? (since when do bigoted assholes need MOTIVATION?).

11 thoughts on “Waaaah Tremblay is so mean!

  1. Heretic September 26, 2014 at 09:52 Reply

    I love the presumption that radical feminists are wrong in our criticisms of liberal feminists and liberal practices. That’s what this is really about, isn’t it? There’s also no evidence for what she’s claiming you’re doing (slandering women). Since when is saying “fuck ___” an example of being violence? Radfems do it, don’t they? Nothing wrong with that.

    Radfems come here and give you input. It’s not like we can’t see what you’re writing about and can’t criticize it when necessary. You’ve also never professed to be a male feminist and don’t limit yourself to just feminist politics, so whatever she thinks you have in common with liberal men is bogus. Other radfems don’t need to be okay with males talking about radical feminism but they shouldn’t expect the rest of the radfems to not visit males’ blogs, either.

    Finally, I find it interesting that the original post was made by radical-bias, who was run off tumblr by claiming to be a male feminist. Speaking of irony.

    • Heretic September 26, 2014 at 11:10 Reply

      P.S. – “self-identified radical feminists” is pretty amusing to me. radical feminism is based on a feminism that is primarily gender-critical; it isn’t an identity. nice example of a “no true scotsman.”

    • Francois Tremblay September 26, 2014 at 12:49 Reply

      But you’ve omitted to talk about the most crucial point here, which is that I’m a big meanie who tells people to die in fires.

      • Heretic September 26, 2014 at 13:56 Reply

        Not just a big meanie, but the biggest meanie because you say “fuck” sometimes! Liberal sex-pozzie men have nothing on you! (or something)

        • Francois Tremblay September 26, 2014 at 14:00 Reply

          Well yea. What if a libfem guy sees me say fuck and decides to say fuck to you? Then you’ll be sorry!

  2. ellahawthorne100 September 27, 2014 at 07:16 Reply

    I read her post. I do agree with her about one thing: you should focus your energy on challenging other men.

    • Francois Tremblay September 27, 2014 at 12:42 Reply

      How do you think I should go about doing that.

      • ellahawthorne100 September 27, 2014 at 13:02 Reply

        Respond to men’s tweets instead of responding to women’s tweets? It’s not complicated.

        • Francois Tremblay September 27, 2014 at 13:08 Reply

          All I do on Twitter is thank people who post links to my stuff. I replied to someone who posted a link to my stuff and said it was awful, which led to the twitter convo you saw. It was a mistake and I probably shouldn’t have tried to argue, but there it is.

  3. male January 27, 2015 at 17:47 Reply

    “Deanna” didn’t write that post, I did, please don’t blame a woman for criticism from a fellow man.

    • Francois Tremblay January 27, 2015 at 18:37 Reply

      Since the link no longer works, I am unable to verify your claim, but it does sound exactly like the kind of mealy-mouthed tone policing BS a “male feminist ally” would write. So I am inclined to believe you.

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