Vegans should not procreate.

I agree with the anonymous author of this piece, which was apparently censored all over the place, that vegans who are concerned with the planet should not procreate. Of course I also agree that no one should procreate, but most of the arguments here also apply to humans in general. Since vegans are just as much selfish assholes as anyone else, I’m not surprised that the message didn’t gain traction.

Many will of course argue that it is the basic urge of a human being, like other creatures, to proliferate. A vegan who is vehemently against the breeding of all domestic animals may fiercely defend his or her personal right, as they see it, to multiply their own chromosomes. But believing you have a right doesn’t make it ethically right. The farmer believes he has the right to manipulate other beings for profit; others believe it is their right to exploit living beings for food, clothing, science, amusement etc. Is it not the duty of a civilized, enlightened person to examine all aspects of their nature and ask themselves whether such so-called ‘rights’ are simply self-serving? A child does not ‘need’ to be born. It is the need of its parents which is gratified.

12 thoughts on “Vegans should not procreate.

  1. Carl July 19, 2015 at 10:46 Reply

    Be heartened though that a number of Vegans are in favor of Voluntary Human Extinction and in fact have their own Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/vegan.vhemt/ . (to my knowledge, you don’t have a Facebook page).

  2. sbt42 July 20, 2015 at 11:57 Reply

    Fascinating works on this subject. Thanks for posting this, Francois.

    Reading through the comments to the entry you posted, I found another post I think is just as powerful. A vegan animal liberationist approaches the natalist position from a strong class-warfare position:

    http://vegina.net/2013/06/26/liberation-not-procreation/

    A later segment cautions people against state-mandated birth control:

    “Policies about fertility and birth control will be racist and sexist and discriminatory in myriad ways because our notions of family and the pronatalist ideology in itself is entrenched with discriminatory politics. Having children becomes the lynchpin of various arguments for and against the full social incorporation of disadvantage groups. Poor and non-white mothers are lambasted for childbearing the wrong way (racist stereotype: group x, y, or z has too many (or any) children outside of “ideal” relationships…e.g. “welfare queen, breeders, etc.). And while this argument is rooted in stereotype it goes a long way to engender bias and discrimination.”

  3. thrillracer July 23, 2015 at 14:04 Reply

    I’m vegan and neither a selfish a-hole nor a breeder. But there is a purported vegan, Jan Roberts, on Facebook who name-called & bullied me just for commenting that “donating eggs is unethical.” (Although, it’s not really “donation” since the “donors” get paid $8,000.) I made my comment in response to an article posted by the VegNews Magazine on Facebook about a demand for human eggs from vegetarian women. How did Francois Tremblay get banned from Facebook? There are some irrational people out there who go psycho in response to any anti-breeding comment. I could tell you some stories.

    • Francois Tremblay July 23, 2015 at 14:51 Reply

      Well then fuck Jan Roberts. You are perfectly within your rights to state such a position.

      • thrillracer July 23, 2015 at 14:53 Reply

        I like your attitude. :)

        • Francois Tremblay July 23, 2015 at 14:54 Reply

          I have little sympathy for breeder assholes trying to defend their aberrant lifestyle. Perhaps because they have so little to say in response.

          • thrillracer July 23, 2015 at 15:09 Reply

            Well, it’s funny that you mention the people with “so little to say in response.” The first person who started attacking me was Haileigh Methven of Blaine, Washington. She asked why I would call egg donating unethical. I wrote: “Tossing your unborn chillun in an overpopulated & polluted world under a corrupt & sexist system teeming with diseased & impoverished orphans + trafficked chillun = Irresponsible.” Instead of addressing a single one of those issues she falsely accused be of insulting and shaming people for wanting babies. I didn’t say a word about those people! She also said that donating eggs was the same as donating organs!

            • Francois Tremblay July 23, 2015 at 15:23 Reply

              By all means, shame people who want babies. There is just no balance in the discussion. Everyone fawns over breeders as if fucking long enough to procreate is some kind of merit. Why don’t we celebrate people who actually do something of merit?

              • thrillracer July 23, 2015 at 15:34 Reply

                People don’t even get hired based on merit! It’s all about nepotism, butt-kissing, & sexism!
                :( Well, now you just reminded me of someone who said I should give her my shopping cart because she had a kid and her kid shouldn’t have to touch the dirty cart. (This was at Big Lots around 2003-ish.) She literally chased me around the store demanding that I give her my shopping cart! (Because I found a clean one outside.)

                • Francois Tremblay July 23, 2015 at 16:37

                  That’s harassment. You should have reported her fucking ass. I would have swore at her: they hate it when you do that around their kids.

                • thrillracer July 24, 2015 at 13:12

                  Oh I know! I was definitely too nice to her! I thought about it later and realized I should not have been so nice, but at least I told her that I didn’t want the dirty cart either! :P

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