Why BDSM is like George Orwell’s “1984.” How Slavery, Torture, Abuse & Sadomasochism Became Pleasure

Also see this rebuttal from Bureaucromancy.

12 thoughts on “Why BDSM is like George Orwell’s “1984.” How Slavery, Torture, Abuse & Sadomasochism Became Pleasure

  1. Independent Radical August 21, 2015 at 08:39 Reply

    While I understand the importance of allowing disagreement within movement, I feel that Bureaucromancy’s response is a little nitpicky. Of course BDSM is not going to be exactly like Nineteen Eighty Four or the real life Soviet Union, but it was not the purpose of the video to explore either in detail. He is just exposing general similarities between the kind of thinking practiced by the BDSM community and IngSoc (the ideology of the ruling Party in Nineteen Eighty Four).

    The BDSM community does in fact use the middle letters “D” and “S” to mean dominance and submission. I don’t think there are any political implications to this bizaar acronym other than that the BDSM community is pretentious and lazy, so the argument is kind of weak, but weak arguments are not a crime. I hate seeing such conflict between people whose viewpoints on the issues are fundamentally the same, but I guess it is a worthwhile price to pay for being part of a movement that allows freedom of thought.

    • Francois Tremblay August 21, 2015 at 14:32 Reply

      Yea but doncha know I should just shut the fuck up and make women sandwiches?

      As if I’d make sandwiches. Anyone can make sandwiches! I’d at least make something a little more complicated… How would you like some salmon pie? :)

  2. oopster74 August 22, 2015 at 02:50 Reply

    I’ll post something more after I watch the video later tonight (I’m at work right now so can’t).

    I only know 1984 from the 80’s film, and in that, the government was totalitarian, you didn’t question them for fear of punishment, and was a bit sinister. I’m not sure if the books had the people living in the kind of squalor I saw in the film or that was a budget issue, I know that a similar film staring Christian Bale and Sean Bean ( I can’t remember the title at the mo’) was similar in that it dealt with a control of emotions, and was your typical hollywood guns and bullets film, but was a little cleverer than the usual stuff they put out. My point being, that in the 2 films, the people have no choice. If they stand up to their government then they will “disapear”, but in a proper consenting bdsm relationship, both parties are consenting (or should be), and can walk away any time they want. If that isn’t the case in a bdsm relationship, then it’s no longer a proper bdsm relationship but abuse, which is something entirely different.

    Now I need to wash my brain out with something as I’ve got John Hurt’s naked straggly body in my mind and it’s not a pretty picture, was he ever good / young looking, or was he born an old man?

    • Francois Tremblay August 22, 2015 at 03:09 Reply

      “in a proper consenting bdsm relationship, both parties are consenting (or should be)”

      Yea, this conversation is not gonna happen. I’ve already debunked this “bdsm is based on consent” nonsense.

      • oopster74 August 22, 2015 at 03:41 Reply

        Francois, I’m saying that a proper bdsm relationship is based on consent, and that non-consensual bdsm relationships are simply abuse. To willingly do the things you do in bdsm you need trust and you need consent. There are bdsm relationships that don’t have consent, and I’m saying these aren’t proper bdsm relationships as they don’t have the consent element. I don’t see why you don’t get that.

        • Francois Tremblay August 22, 2015 at 03:43 Reply

          Oopster, I’m saying that you’re full of shit.

          • oopster74 August 22, 2015 at 03:46 Reply

            I’m in a bdsm relationship with someone, it isn’t a romantic thing, we just meet every so often. I can choose to me meet them, I can choose to leave any time I want, and so can they. What’s not consensual about that? We both get something out of it we want.

            My point was, in one setting, ie 1984, there is no choice, in a bdsm thing, there is or should be. I know I’m not going to change your mind on something’s, but I do know from experience that you are open to debate.

            • Francois Tremblay August 22, 2015 at 04:47 Reply

              That’s great, but I didn’t ask you about your sex life.

              • oopster74 August 22, 2015 at 04:48 Reply

                I know, but I think you’ll find the vast number of bdsm relationships are like that.

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