Is transitioning similar to gay conversion therapy?

Lonesomeyogurt comments on the bizarre trend of equating radical feminism with gay conversion therapy, and draws a powerful analogy between transitioning and gay conversion therapy, showing that the argument is, as usual, a projection.

Both transition and conversion therapy exist for individuals who are engaging in behaviors that are not allowed by their designation inside the heteropatriarchy. For gender non-conforming males or females, it’s identification with the presentation and mannerisms of the other sex; for homosexuals, it’s same-sex love.

Both transition and conversion therapy have the end goal of an individual who is aligned with their designation inside the heteropatriarchy. Gender non-conforming males are supposedly transformed into gender conforming females and vice versa, while gays and lesbians become heterosexuals.

Both are about altering an individual – whether psychologically, behaviorally, or chemically – to fit socially constructed stereotypes. Males who transition are encouraged to act with “feminine” mannerism, just as females who go through the same process are taught to ape masculinity. Homosexuals endure the comparable experience of being indoctrinated into traditional heterosexual notions of desire.

Both trade in essentialist notions of “true” orientation or “true” gender. Much like young trans folks are taught that they have an “inner woman” or “inner man”, homosexuals are encouraged to see their desire as an illegitimate aberration of a fundamental heterosexuality.

7 thoughts on “Is transitioning similar to gay conversion therapy?

  1. stchauvinism October 6, 2015 at 20:59 Reply

    Reblogged this on Stop Trans Chauvinism.

  2. oopster74 October 6, 2015 at 21:32 Reply

    For the most part the answer is no. I’m trans and consider myself to be a lesbian (regardless of how other people may view me), so what would be the point of me transitioning to then become a lesbian, it makes no sense if the question posed were true. The sexuality of the trans people I know, is as varied as any other group. Maybe we get to be more “honest” about our sexuality, as its one thing that gets questioned during the process.

    In countries like Iran, unfortunately this does appear to be the case though. Gay men and women are told they must transition to then become heterosexual as their culture doesn’t view homosexuality as a good thing. Forcing someone to transition like this can be as bad (I suspect) as not allowing someone who is trans, to be able to transition.

    • Francois Tremblay October 6, 2015 at 21:40 Reply

      I knew you would pipe up with some line of bullshit. Of course you didn’t get the point of the entry at all, as usual. You’ve been a fucking idiot for months, why start being smart now?

      • oopster74 October 6, 2015 at 22:42 Reply

        I answered the question ffs!

        • Francois Tremblay October 6, 2015 at 22:54 Reply

          Be frustrated at your own stupidity, not at me. No one asked you any question. The entry is about an analogy. You completely and utterly missed the point of the analogy.

          Just so we’re clear, the point of the entry was NOT to say that transitioning is a form of conversion therapy. It’s an analogy. Analogies aim to demonstrate similarities between concepts in specific ways, although they do not denote equality. As the part I quoted points out, transitioning and conversion therapy are similar (within the context of the analogy) in that they both:

          1. “exist for individuals who are engaging in behaviors that are not allowed by their designation inside the heteropatriarchy.”
          2. “have the end goal of an individual who is aligned with their designation inside the heteropatriarchy.”
          3. “Both are about altering an individual – whether psychologically, behaviorally, or chemically – to fit socially constructed stereotypes. “
          4. “Both trade in essentialist notions of “true” orientation or “true” gender”

          All these points are true and undeniable, no matter how much you whine. Now please shut the fuck up already.

  3. Independent Radical October 11, 2015 at 17:54 Reply

    While I am opposed to gay conversion therapy (on the grounds that there is nothing wrong with gays to begin with), I would not rule out the possibility of changing people’s sexuality through psychological means altogether.

    Of course, I would not advocate the same methods which the Christian right uses (which include electrocuting people, a practice which sex liberals ironically advocate when it is made “sexy” through sadomasochism), but techniques like cognitive-behaviour therapy are used to treat people with sexual disorders, which nowadays are only labelled disorders if the people with them feel bad about them (a sarcastic thank you to the sex liberals who convinced the APA that the paedophiles who feel good about their paedophilia are the sane ones).

    Nevertheless, if you can get someone to acknowledge that they have harmful sexual impulses, these can be treated psychologically, though not necessarily “gotten rid of” (which is true of most mental disorders anyway).

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