Pole dancers talk about the power in “empowerment.”

I have previously commented on the twisted use of the word “empowerment” in our new post-feminism culture (i.e. liberal feminism, the belief that systemic analysis of gender issues is no longer valid or desirable). It’s all about personal feelings, not facts. “Empowerment,” in this sense, is about the individual woman (because it is mostly about women) dealing with the ways in which she is constrained. Being subject to the male gaze, she “empowers” herself by taking control of the way her sexuality is seen by others. But this has nothing to do with actual power.

This entry by Meghan Murphy received a heap of comments from ignorant “polers” (which is apparently what pole dancers call themselves now) complaining about how pole dancing has “empowered” them. I thought this would be a good occasion to try to get to the bottom of this belief. So I asked them:

“You say you are “empowered.” What ACTUAL power do you have? Physical, financial, political, ideological, or what? What power are you talking about? Can you actually name the specific ways in which you are actually “empowered”?”

I expected many responses, but I only got two. It seems like the “empowerment” dogma is not as solid as I thought it was. Here is the first response:

It’s empowering in the way we are pushing our body to new limits. Like any athletes. Before I started pole dance, I was so so bad at sport, my cardio was bad, etc. Now I am fit, more confident about myself because I used to think I was a lost cause with sports, but here I am today doing flags for fun, always pushing my limits further. So yeah i find it pretty empowering.

There’s nothing wrong with a woman becoming fit, but this is not “empowering.” It feels empowering because you’re able to do more with your own body, but the fact that you feel better and that you’re able to do more is not, in itself, power. In our Western societies, physical strength is no longer the source of power it used to be, mainly due to guns and other mechanized weapons, and to technology making labor less physically demanding. I daresay that very few people, if any, are powerful individuals because they are strong individuals.

I know this is different from what these people are talking about. They are not talking about power, they are talking about their feelings. But feelings of being powerful do not give you actual power, the kind of power that actually matters in reality. That is where the danger lies. People who don’t have power and have to deal with the consequences (like women dealing with objectification, black people dealing with racist violence, poor people dealing with capitalist exploitation) have to fight for their rights. That requires the ability to look at the dynamics of power in reality: who has it, how does it work, and how it can be seized. Equating power with feelings deprives you of the ability to criticize hierarchies, and that ironically prevents you from seeing how to gain real power.

The power elite always wants people to introvert, because it prevents them from coming under examination. Christianity has been such a perfect tool of control because it puts the blame on individual sin and demands that the individual looks within oneself to eradicate sin. Likewise, the post-feminist worldview keeps women busy by having them constantly tend to their feelings, and equating feelings with reality. Women are too busy to look at the ideological and social structures that keep them exploited and oppressed.

This is why I believe that this “empowerment” talk needs to be deeply examined and debunked. Post-feminism is a dangerous path that can only lead to complete disaster for all women everywhere. The only end point of this sort of global introversion of the oppressed is voluntary and cheerful slavery (as we’ve seen with democracy and the power elite’s interests).

The second comment (from someone else) is pretty long, so I’m going to break it up.

I was hesitating to answer because many people have already mentioned it in many different ways and it has been rudely dismissed and ignored. But here it is: Through pole fitness I rediscovered the strength in a body that is not the “standard” of beauty and I gained love and power over my own body by accepting my body as it is and by nurturing it. The ability to learn tricks and gain strength through training gave me more confidence in all areas of my life, I gained power to stop caring about what men (or women) thought or didnt thought of me or my looks, I gained power to speak up in situations where I wasnt being treated fairly and where before I didnt have the confidence to speak up about, this gained confidence helped me at my work when I decided to pick up new challenges that moved my career forward because I learned by experience that I was capable of doing more than I previously imagined, I gained power by having the physical strength to do many more things by myself without needing help from someone stronger (i.e. A man). I gained a lot of respect from being independent and strong, I gained power by expanding my support system within the community and we all have gained power by teaching more people that our bodies our ours and can be beautiful and do marvelous things without the approval or for the entertainment of anyone other than ourselves.

I have to repeat myself here because the argument is basically the same. There’s nothing wrong with a woman gaining confidence in her life. Actually, I think that’s a great thing. Everyone, especially women, should have the confidence to speak up for themselves, loving their own bodies, and not caring so much about what other people think. Here’s the thing, though: whether you care what other people think or not, it still influences their actions. Can you just ignore it? Sure. But that doesn’t change reality.

Does it benefit her to gain respect from her peers and having a support system? Of course. So there are actual tangible benefits there beyond personal feelings, which is great. But you can get those from a lot of different activities and hobbies, none of which give you actual power. I used to talk about ethical and political issues from a more mainstream perspective, just divergent enough to be different, and I got a lot of respect for it. So what? It wasn’t the way to a real understanding or the way to understand how to gain more power, individually or collectively. The only ideologies which lead to power are those that help you understand how power is gained and kept.

The power elite feeds the masses airy words like “democracy,” “freedom” and “human rights,” but in their internal documents and in their actions they seek only domination and obedience, and if you believe the airy words you are a gullible fool. To a large extent this is true of other hierarchies as well. Anti-feminism serves genderism: it preaches “happiness” and “choice” to the faithful but produces only voluntary, cheerful servitude to oppressive gender roles. Are there secondary benefits to obedience? There have always been, otherwise obedience would be much harder to enforce. It is always a big fallacy from those purveyors of post-whatever to equate the presence of some benefit, any benefit, with the belief that there cannot be any exploitation going on (men are nice and open doors for you, therefore rape is not a big deal). I am not saying that this is what the commentator is doing: I believe she is writing in good faith, but she falls into the same traps.

I get it that you won’t care about this and that your idea of feminism is different than mine, that’s fine. When someone says they are feminists I think they would be open to hear other women’s thoughts so I am respectfully sharing them in the spirit of creating conversation and learning so we can all improve our views on what women need to do or not to do to further our cause. We work hard to disassociate this thing that has given us so much from negative connotations that come from fear, prejudism, and yes, the patriarchy that you hate so much.

This is not an issue of what your idea of feminism is. While our beliefs about feminism may cloud our judgment on factual issues, the facts remain what they are. Something being empowering or not is a statement of fact, not a statement of belief, ethics or feelings. The radical feminist questioning of pole dancing does not come from a position of fear, prejudice, or from supporting the patriarchy. Insofar as the question I asked her was concerned, and insofar as this entry is concerned, I am simply stating that the “empowerment” they use as their main argument is, factually, a dangerous delusion which is counter-productive to feminism (i.e. the interests of women as a class and the elimination of the patriarchy). The fact that it gives some women more confidence or more ability to deal with life, while important, does not cancel this out.

It seems the commenter may have thought I was a woman (or perhaps she thought I was Meghan Murphy, or someone else in the conversation), but I will answer for myself. As a man, my responsibility is to be informed on the topics I write, and to present a dissenting (pro-women) viewpoint as a man and to other men. I know that what I write is always under scrutiny from feminist women, with good reason, so I’ve always been very careful in what I put forward as “feminist.” I have to exercise due diligence at all times. I say this not to elicit sympathy or support, but to point out that I cannot, as some have suggested, “listen to what all women say,” because there are plenty of women who are not pro-women, even women who call themselves feminists. “Conversation and learning” implies that the commenter and I have common premises and common goals. This does not seem to be the case, at least on the issue of “empowerment.”

No one is harassing you, we are doing our part in sharing our experiences and keeping the conversation open until women who want to take this as a hobbie are not labeled in negative ways and to make sure whoever wants to, has a safe space to learn and experience it. We are not expecting or wanting it to be everywhere all the time, we are just asking for people to be respectful of those who chose to do it.

We come back once again to the confusion of systemic criticism with a personal attack. To criticize pole dancing as not being “empowering” does not mean that we dislike “polers.” I’m sure most of them are really nice people. I know that there are very nice and kind and good people who believe and act on all the ideologies I criticize on this blog (religion, natalism, statism, whatever), and I respect those people. The fact that I respect them does not mean they are right. Whether a person is respected or not has no bearing on the truth of what they are saying. Many people get respect when they say the worse kind of nonsense, and many people who dare to speak with clarity against hallowed beliefs don’t get nearly as much respect as they should. Respect and truth have no clear relation of cause and effect.

It’s easy for people supporting “empowering” practices to think of themselves as trailblazers who are helping women. And I don’t have any objections about that. My objection is when this translates into an ideological battle, where the possibility of actual empowerment (expressed by a systemic feminist analysis of what they’re doing) is being stifled in the name of fake “empowerment.” The goal of most of the “poler” commenters on Murphy’s entry was to try to silence her analysis, to tell her to shut up because her analysis goes counter to their beliefs.

8 thoughts on “Pole dancers talk about the power in “empowerment.”

  1. Marco Angelo McClean February 19, 2017 at 16:51

    I’m 58, so I remember the old-style gym bars and things to climb on and swing around in playgrounds everywhere in parks and schools. Not everyone got hurt on them, but everyone got what was called /jungle gym blisters/. When I was about three feet tall I lost my grip on a bar once and fell /all the way through/ a big, open jungle gym, hitting every bar on the way down with a different part of my body. I was very lucky to come out of it with only bruises.

    Over the years civic groups did nothing to redesign that sort of equipment and make it safer; they just ripped it all out and called it done. Like with diving boards. There used to be diving boards at public pools everywhere. I guess nobody plays outside anymore anyway, so.

    But it’s possible now to get a pole that swivels along its entire length, so you don’t get chafing problems, like in your illustration, from swinging around it. I’m not quibbling with your argument about empowerment; I just saw this video and found out about the new kind of pole, and it occurred to me to let you know. Here:

    Also I’ve been meaning to tell you that I often read your material on my radio show on two /very/ small-market stations in Northern California. I appreciate your work and your thoughts.


    • Francois Tremblay April 22, 2019 at 00:46

      Hey, I noticed I never replied to this comment of yours. I have actually seen linkbacks from your radio show on many occasions. I have always wondered about that. I guess I just never saw this comment. Thank you for reading about some of the stuff I post!

  2. Leen Isabel April 21, 2019 at 00:28

    Please remove my artwork from this article.

    • Francois Tremblay April 22, 2019 at 00:45

      Done it! Now get the fuck off my blog

      • Iriy June 5, 2019 at 17:04

        Good evening,

        I must confess that I am the reason, in a sense, that Leen Isabel has asked you to remove her artwork – I have shared this post in one of Facebook’s groups of pole dancers. And yes, I am – I was at least, before I had to stop for various reasons – a hobby pole dancer too. And while I profoundly enjoy pole dancing, I agree with what you wrote to a T. This is why I shared it in the first place. I was hoping (extremely naively, up to the point of idiocy, as I now see) that it would start a healthy debate – it didn’t. Instead, they demonstrated the amount of hate and ignorance that horrified me in a way no Republican’s ‘definition’ of rape ever did.

        They’re throwing around terfs and swerfs slurs like confetti – I had reported some of them, but it’s not enough. I am outraged beyond my capacity to express it in words.

        As you could probably imagine, they had accused you of mansplaining. How clever they think themselves to be. I am writing an edit now, a long one – if they bother to read it (some won’t, because if they read in the first place, there might wouldn’t have been a situation like this) and am curious to see what they’ll say now that they can’t whine about an outsider and a man writing it.

        I don’t know how you deal with all the hate. The comments from my fellow “polers” had me shaking in disgust. You can always leave it to ignorant haters to define others as such, only I am not a hateful person and have very little patience for people who are.

        The main reason I am typing this (too) long comment is to thank you. It might not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me that this blog exists. You don’t know who I am, and are certainly not doing it for me – but thank you. Both happy and comforted to have found it. I think I’ll learn a lot here. Keep up the good work.

        • Francois Tremblay June 6, 2019 at 01:13

          I have received a lot of ignorant comments from polers, almost all of which I have put in the spam for being irrelevant to the topic. It’s very good to get your positive comment. Thank you for that.

          Actually I have not been targeted by “hate” in this particular case, it’s just annoying that people comment in a knee-jerk reaction instead of trying to address the points.

          I’m sorry that people have taken it out on you. They will keep justifying their strange beliefs, because that’s easier than listen to you. And I do carry the stigma of being a “TERF,” because I refuse to throw out science for the sake of politics. That’s just how it is. But thank you for trying. I did get a few comments after you posted it, but nothing too bad. Just more ignorant ramblings which I promptly put in the spam.

  3. Nadyne April 22, 2019 at 08:14

    Empowerment in your sense….what the pole dancer gains;
    I understand your idea that it is “just a feeling” that we are more confident and fit etc. However, there is a social challenge in that a womans body is a sexualized thing and that we are ‘just’ pole dancers who have to be half naked which, in turn, sexualizes us. Our challenge as women and feminists is to not desexualize our bodies, but show to the world that it doesnt matter what we wear or are doing but that we are doing a sport, similar to gymnastics. We are close to being recognized my the olympics, have competitions across the world in sports festivals, international competitions for an insane (compared to obly 10 years ago) amount of skill sets and categories. Our empowerment in your eyes would be that we are slowly making our sport less about hussies walking around in skimpy clothes (although i personally love all forms of dance regardless of it being nude or not) and more about women being able to be taken seriously regardless of our uniform or what we are wearing. Pole allows us that. And frees us from judgement and all the other things. There is power there and if you dont see it, it is because you are not in our shoes and dont recognize the reality of how society is toward a woman.

    • Francois Tremblay April 22, 2019 at 14:55

      Are you on the board of this future olympic sport? Or are you in a business which sells equipment?

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